Recessed Kitchen Lighting Reconsidered

Evidence-based design brings kitchen lighting out of the shadows

May 10, 2017

What's wrong with this kitchen lighting scheme? Can lights located in aisles cast shadow on tasks when the cook stands at the counter. Under-cabinet lights mounted against the wall cause glare. There are too few fixtures to light an island of this size. Read on for solutions that will bring better lighting to your kitchen designs.

Most kitchens are woefully underlit. Lighting is often an afterthought, yet even when it’s carefully planned, designers and lighting experts often don’t agree on which lamps work best in particular fixtures and where those fixtures should be located.

In what follows, I’ll look at factors such as the number of fixtures and the type of lamps (bulbs) used, but I’m particularly interested in the size and location of recessed can lights for best practices for lighting in the kitchen. I’ve written about this before (see “The Right Way to Light a Kitchen"), but I recently measured comparative light levels on actual jobsites, and the data backs up my contention that, in most cases, the wrong fixtures are being placed in the wrong locations.

Here are some considerations for kitchen lighting layout.

How Much Light Is Enough?

There has been almost no new research on this topic for the last 30 years, and competing expert opinions leave designers confused about how much light is needed in the kitchen. The code isn’t much help: IRC 2015 requires just one light fixture for the entire kitchen, yielding perhaps 6 foot-candles (fc). That will help you avoid banging your hip on the corner of the island countertop, but it’s very dim light for working in the kitchen.

kitchen lighting layout tutorial Industry groups also weigh in on the topic. In the book Kitchen & Bath Lighting: Concepts, Design, Light, which the National Kitchen & Bath Association (NKBA) released in 2015, the text suggests 50 fc for prep counters. This jibes with the January 2017 update of the Illuminating Engineering Society’s (IES) “Lighting and the Visual Environment for Seniors and the Low Vision Population” (ANSI/IES RP-28-16), which also recommends a minimum of 50 fc at the countertop surface.

My personal target is a 100 fc minimum, and even more for clients older than 60 (see “Aging Eyes Need More Light,” below). But I also put everything on dimmers, which enables users to soften the lighting while also saving energy and extending lamp life in halogens and LEDs.

Ideal Location for Recessed Canned Lights in the Kitchen

I believe there’s considerable misinformation about where canned lights in the kitchen should be located in relation to countertops. In a couple of books used by kitchen designers, I’ve seen illustrations showing recessed can placement well away from the task. The illustrations don’t include dimensions, but out of curiosity I traced and enlarged them, then scaled them using the 25-inch countertop as a guide. In doing so, I found that one illustration shows the cans 49 inches out from the wall and another shows the cans a whopping 56 inches out. 

This spec seems to have originated in a kitchen lighting book that was popular in the ’90s. The book’s theory was that lights centered in walkways wouldn’t create “hot spots” on the upper cabinets and that under-cabinet lights would do the heavy lifting (see “Under-Cabinet Lights Won’t Save You,” below). 

I bought that book, but the advice in there to center the cans in the aisles made no sense to me, and I stopped following its guidelines after one or two projects. But it has bothered me that this bad advice is still being disseminated. Then, a few years ago, I met with a prospective client who complained of really bad lighting in his newly redone kitchen. This launched me on the path of putting numbers to good and bad lighting. Now I measure, before and after, every kitchen I’m asked to redesign. You can’t manage what you don’t measure.

My opinion, based on common sense—and now also on empirical evidence—is that the proper place for canned lights iin the kitchen ntended for task lighting is directly over the edge of the countertop, which is roughly 24 inches out from the wall. This location puts the beam right above the work surface and, equally important, it prevents the cook’s body from blocking the light when he or she stands at the counter working. It also throws light directly into open drawers.

Recessed lighting installation

Placing and Testing Fixtures in the Kitchen

To test my theory, I first purchased one 4-inch and one 5-inch recessed can and a variety of lamps. I then enlisted the help of current client Mike Flaherty, who is having a second-floor addition built at his 1920s bungalow, along with associated first-floor upgrades. 

Part of the under-construction kitchen ceiling was open, which made it possible—one evening after dark—for us to hold the can lights up at the proper height (5 feet above the counter) and at a variety of distances from the wall, starting at 24 inches and going out to 48 inches. I stood on a stepladder while Mike stood by the counter or in front of it (photos, above) and recorded the measurements from my trusty Meterman LM631 light meter.

Could there be errors? Sure. For instance, I have two light meters, plus a light meter app on my Android phone, and each gives different readings. But I do trust the accuracy of the relative values from a single meter.

Test Results

The results confirm that the location of a can light makes a big difference, especially when, as happens in the real world, people stand at their counters while they prep and cook (see the “Recessed Light Location Test Results” table, below). 

For example, with a PAR30 flood in a 5-inch can located 24 inches from the wall, I measured 42.8 fc at the work surface. When the can was moved out to 36 and then 42 inches from the wall, I measured 27 fc and 13.1 fc, respectively—drops of 37 percent and 70 percent.

The reduction in light levels was more dramatic when Mike stood at the counter as if prepping (see “Actual Field Measurements,” below). With the can 36 inches from the wall, the 27 fc dropped to just 1.4 fc; at 42 inches out, the 13.1 fc plummeted to 0.6 fc—worse than candlelight! And with a 4-inch can, all of the results were about 30 percent lower.

kitchen lighting actual field measurements illustration with recessed lighting

recessed lighting results from testRecessed lighting can results from test

Takeaways From the Experiment

Placing cans in the walkways puts task lighting on the floor and spills ambient light onto the counter—it’s completely backward. Recessed cans are particularly inefficient for ambient lighting; better are surface-mounted or pendant fixtures that throw light in all directions.

The bottom line: For task lighting, cans should be placed 24 inches out from the wall, centered over the edge of the countertop. 

Admittedly, these test results are for a single recessed fixture and lamp in a dark kitchen under construction. There is no cumulative effect of side-by-side fixtures, as would be the case in most kitchens. Nonetheless, these foot-candle measurements were dramatic. Here’s what I think we can learn from them:

  • Lamp type affects the amount of light delivered. A PAR lamp delivers two to 10 times more light on the task than a BR lamp with the same lumen output. My advice is to use BRs only for ambient lighting where you want a wide, diffuse spread, such as in family rooms or hallways. (Read more about lamp types here.)
  • The narrower the beam spread, the stronger the light levels on the task. In a fixture 5 feet above the countertop, a PAR30 with a 40-degree beam spread creates a circle of light about 100 inches in diameter; a narrow spot with a 10 degree beam spread creates a circle of light that’s about 22 inches in diameter. It follows that beam spread affects the number of fixtures needed and their spacing: If you use narrow-spread lamps, you will need more fixtures spaced more closely together to achieve the same light levels.
  • Larger can diameters deliver more light. This seems self-evident. However, I was surprised to find that the most intense narrow spot (NSP) in a 4-inch can didn’t have the punch to deliver the recommended minimum 50 fc from 5 feet above the countertop; I was also surprised that the narrow flood (NFL) did, delivering 79 fc. Again, lamp type matters.


After seeing these results, I will continue my practice of placing canned lights in the kitchen directly above the edges of work counters. In a future article, I’ll share several recent projects showing light levels before we started, computer simulations of the new lighting layout, and actual measurements after the work was completed. 

I’ll also continue to use my go-to fixture and lamp—a 5-inch, airtight, IC-rated can with a 75-watt equivalent PAR30 NFL LED lamp. By itself, this spec puts down 117 fc on the countertop, and in concert with cans on either side (usually 3 or 4 feet apart) you can reach even higher light levels. You can also generate 100 fc with a single 5-inch can using an NSP lamp (9-degree beam), but you won’t find that bulb at your local big-box store.

I use IC-rated cans everywhere, whether or not the ceiling is insulated, because if air can get through, then sound can, too. It also simplifies the fixture order.

What’s Next?

When Mike’s kitchen is complete, I’ll redo the foot-candle measurements with all of his kitchen lights on to see the cumulative effect. I’d also like to measure a 6-inch can with a PAR38 flood and spot to see how each performs in 10-foot ceilings. In addition, I want to measure output from an LED retrofit kit and from a low-voltage MR16 fixture with different lamps and beam spreads.

All of this data will help us to better understand how the different “layers” of lighting combine to create a successful project. As Sara Sullivan, a lighting designer with 186 Lighting Design Group, has said, “Each layer has a purpose in the kitchen: general ambient lighting, task lighting, and decorative lighting. There is no one answer that can truly be applied to every space or client; you need to revisit your ‘toolbox’ every time to create that perfect composition.”

Aging Eyes Need More Light

Vision problems accompany aging, and for older people, poor lighting is a very real safety issue. Expert opinions differ on how much more light is necessary as people age, but there is clear consensus that more light is better.

Phil Richards, a lighting educator with Juno Lighting Group, in the Chicago area, recommends a foot-candle light level in the kitchen that is “your age plus 20.” Naomi Miller, senior lighting engineer at Pacific Northwest National Laboratory, recommends 50 to 100 foot-candles (fc) on the task. Steve Brielmaier, in a January 2017 article titled “25 Lighting Tips for Seniors” for LampsUSA, features a chart based on age groups and recommends 75 fc for 40-year-olds, 150 fc for 60-year-olds, and a whopping 225 fc for 80-year-olds. (Find out more about various vision aspects of universal design here.)

Under-Cabinet Lights Won't Save You

Under-cabinet lights are wonderful, but at kitchen sinks in front of windows, there are no upper cabinets to mount them to. The same goes for islands and modern loft-style kitchens, which use mostly base cabinets.

Light from under-cabinet fixtures mounted against the wall can reflect off polished countertop surfaces and cause distracting glare. Mounting the fixtures at the front of the cabinet reduces this problem and provides a bit more light to the work surface. 

Undercabinet lightsThe other problem with under-cabinet lights is getting homeowners to use them. This is true for many of my clients, and I attribute it to their experience with the hot halogen or xenon fixtures that were popular the last time they remodeled their kitchen—you could keep pizza warm under those lamps. But LEDs have changed the game, and they come in different output levels, plus they’re dimmable. 

One huge advantage under-cabinet lights have is that they’re below the viewer’s eye level (except when seated) and are less likely to cause glare. The exception is when the counters are highly polished—which the great majority of countertops are—then the reflection bounces right up into your eyes. Honed or matte countertops help, but the real solution is to mount under-cabinet lights behind the front rail of the upper cabinets instead of at the back against the wall. This location changes the angles of incidence and reflection and may prevent the glare. It also helps to deliver foot-candles on the working area, which is toward the front of the counter, not the back.

About the Author

About the Author

Doug Walter, of Doug Walter Architects, in Denver, has specialized in residential remodeling for 25 years. He has a long history with Universal Design and aging in place. He helped write the NAHB’s Certified Aging-in-Place Specialist curriculum and holds an ICC Certificate as an Accessibility Inspector.



I understand how placing under cabinet lighting at the back of the cabinet can cause glare off the countertop but if you place the same light at the front side of the cabinet would this create glare off the backsplash in the event your backsplash material is the same material as the countertop? Would having matte finish countertops be the preferred choice then to counter any glare? Am designing a kitchen remodel and am contemplating even installing these for any other reason then for show Thanks Bill

Bill: Good question about glare. There will be much less a problem with glare off the backsplash than the counter. Even with the lights at the front edge of uppers, you will get a line of brightness reflected off a polished counter. So my strong preference would be to specify matte or honed countertops, if they appeal. Especially if there are large windows that bounce light into your eyes (and most kitchens have large windows).
Undercabinet lights are a wonderful source of indirect light in the kitchen; some of the best light you could use, especially when you are just waking up or late at night. Some clients run them as night lights. Good luck with your remodel!

Glad to see I am not the only number crunching nerd out there! I usually focus on quantitative financial engineering but some home remodeling has taken me off on a tangent and I am dipping my toes a bit in your realm. Thanks for doing some of the heavy lifting and problem solving formulation. Now I am off to figure out the recessed 3 inch lighting for a shower niche which is fully embedded in the corner since I pushed out the header beyond the floorplan to make it possible. I want the lighting to fit perfectly to light both sides of the niche. I can get close by literally holding the low profile recessed light up to the ceiling but I need to to a bit of adjustment to factor the bit higher positioning once installed in the kitchen. It may be just eyeballing it is easier than the math, but there has to be a formula A squared+ B squared = C squared? A simple interpolation? .... TMI :) Yes I drive my contractors crazy!

Late reply to BB: just saw your inquiry from months ago, sorry for the late reply. There may well be a formula for calculating the precise location, but my strong preference is to buy the light you want to use, wire it up to an extension cord and mock it up onsite; that's what I do with all my clients. Just last week I took my 4 inch can to a remodel with tall ceilings, but the client insisted on 4 inch cans max. I found a NSP Par20 lamp that looked like it would work, and onsite, in fact, it did, as promised. Interestingly, I also had another NSP Par20 in my milk crate of lights, and it only delivered 80 fc, when the one I chose delivered 120 fc. All lamps are not created equal! Good luck.

Pardon my Subject pun, but I lived in a house with an expansive kitchen that was remodeled in the late 80's, apparently before the bad advice started getting tossed around. With 10 foot ceilings, they had installed 4" spot cans every 3' over the countertops, aligning exactly over the edge of every surface of varied depths to the wall. 3 larger cans illuminated the broader aisle areas. The lighting in that kitchen was absolutely fantastic. Never once, with undercabinet LEDs also installed later on, did it have noticeable shadows anywhere. I'm about to embark on replicating that with the 1901 farmhouse I live in now. The kitchen is smaller, but nobody should have to tolerate bad lighting where the knives are used.

Delighted that your experience bore out the recommendations in the article. But for the 1901 farmhouse, may I recommend two things: that you put a free light meter app on your phone to check how many foot candles are being delivered to the counters, and secondly, that you experiment with bulbs; skip the BR reflector bulbs and buy a few types of PAR bulbs: flood, narrow flood, and spot. The right PAR can put down up to 20x the illumination on the counter compared to a BR! Try it, you can return what you don't like.
For a 10 foot ceiling, I'd prefer to use a 5 inch can and a PAR30 lamp. Your goal should be to deliver 100 foot candles, with a dimmer to deliver less when you don't want 100. The rule of thumb I recommend is "Your age plus 40" for the best light level, since our visual acuity degrades with time! Good luck.

Terrific information to apply to my new kitchen. Thank you so much!

Can I put recessed lighting in a kitchen with an inclined ceiling 112" to 184" with counters running along the 112 and 184 walls. I understand placement above the counter edges.

The majority of high-end customers and designers are into symmetry. They want things centered. Also recessed cans are primarily used for general lighting halls laundry finished basements and kitchens. I would like to see a picture of the of cans installed and on to see the cone of light against the cabinet. How are you protecting the wire for the ucl when pulling it against the wall?

This is the most informative article on lighting I've ever seen.
I have an 8' high L shaped kitchen with a 96" leg and a "192" leg. The 96" leg has a centered sink and no overhead cabinets. Starting in the corner of the 192" leg, there are 15" overhead cabinets that extend over the counter for 120" and the remaining 72" of counter have no overhead cabinets. I am placing 5" cans with PAR30 on the edge of the counter per your recommendations. The diameter of the 25 degree lamp is approximately 25" at the countertop. If centered along the edge, the light only covers 13" of the countertop where there is no overhead cabinets. Do I change the location of the cans over these areas or do I choose a different PAR30 for these locations? Also, do you recommend 24" spacing between the cans or is 36" adequate?

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